Can we determine the timing of the 2nd coming by defining meridian of time?
Question
Hi Gramps,
First off, EXCELLENT site! Long overdue!
Anyway, my question is: How can anyone think the millenium is soon at hand given the following:
1). The Lord came in the “meridian” of time. That means the Lord came into the world in the year 3,500 of 7,000 years. Here we are, 2014 years later, making it the year 5,514 (or there about, +- 4 years)… Nowhere near the 6,000 year mark. Now, I’m assuming that the year 3,500 IS the meridian of time.
2) Unless the post-millennial time is 500 years (which would make for a very, very long “season”) or the definition of “meridian” has another meaning, time frames don’t appear to match up.
Also, I heard that Wilford Woodruff or another Apostle or prophet stated something like the rising generation would not altogether pass away before the Lord returns.
Please help me understand my miscalculation.
Thank you so much.
Dan
Answer
Hi Dan,
Meridian has more than one definition, as such, there may be more than one way to interpret “meridian of times” meaning. As we consider the timeline you have provided, then it would appear, assuming we only interpret “meridian” as “the middle”, that the Lord’s birth did not occur at the meridian of time. However, meridian has other definitions which you can look up also from dictionaries: Webster, dictionary reference, and free dictionary online. These sources provide a different outlook when meridian is also defined as:
1. A high point
2. A point or period of highest development, greatest prosperity, or the like
3. The highest point or stage of development; peak: “Men come to their meridian at various periods of their lives.” (Sentence given as an example).
In light of these definitions, the meridian of time could possibly mean the birth of Christ as the highest point or stage since the creation of Adam and Eve. In view of these definitions, and the timeline you have provided, then we can agree and verify that Joseph Smith may have meant the highest point, or period, in human history. However, let us take another view as given by Joseph Fielding Smith with regard to a different timeline:
“[O]ur Savior came in the meridian of time. That dispensation is called the dispensation of the meridian of time. This means that it was about halfway from the beginning of “time” to the end of “time.”. Anyone who desires can figure it for himself that our Lord came about 4,000 years from the time of the fall. The millennium is to come some time following the 2,000 years after his coming. Then there is to be the millennium for 1,000 years, and following that a “little season,” the length of which is not revealed, but which may bring “time” to its end about 8,000 years from the beginning.”(Doctrines of Salvation 1:81, emphasis in original)
As we consider the words of Joseph Fielding Smith, then the Savior’s birth was literally around, or at, the “meridian of time.”
With regard to Wilford Woodruff, after reading his biography, he strongly felt and wouldn’t have been surprised if the Lord returned during the life of those who were still living. Other prophets have spoken the same thing, example, Joseph Fielding Smith, who once declared:
“Some Now Living May See Second Coming The day of the coming of the Lord is near. I do not know when. I am not looking, however, upon the coming of the Son of Man as I looked once upon the day when men would speak from city to city and throughout the land without the aid of wires, and would be heard – as some – thing that may come in some far distant time – because I sincerely believe it will come in the very day when some of us who are here today [April 5, 1936] will be living upon the face of the earth. That day is close at hand.” (Doctrines of Salvation 3:2)
However, these were their opinions in light of their studies and what prophecies were being fulfilled. If Joseph Fielding Smith is correct the millennium will begin in less than 30 years, as he mentioned at this conference that he felt some in the audience would be alive when the Savior comes. Yet, we know this may not be the case because it was his personal opinion.
With regard to the Savior’s coming, I agree with Joseph Smith, it will be no later or earlier than the day he arrives.
Sincerely,
Gramps
This is
all just my own crazy opinion and not official church
doctrine but after much scripture study this is my theory.
Even though nobody knows the exact time of the second coming except God
(see Matt 24:36), it’s kind of his “secret”. Amos 3:7 says “Surely the Lord God
will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.”
I think the Lord will give us revelations via his prophets.
I think God will eventually reveal the time to his prophet if he
has not done so already.
Here is what we learn from modern scripture and
prophets mostly the Doctrine and Covenants.
This earth has a temporal existence of 7,000 years. (See
D&C section 77)
And if Christ came in “the meridian of time” (see D&C
20:26) and we understand that meridian means the middle, then that means there was
about
3500 years before Christ came and there are 3500 years after Christ death.
(7000/2=3500)
We also know that Christ will come at the beginning of the millennium. We know
that the millennium is the last 1000 years. “A thousand years of peace, love,
and joy will begin on
the earth at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. This thousand-year period is
called the
Millennium.” Gospel Principles manual chapter 45
So if there is 3500 years after Christ death and
Christ will come just before the last thousand years. That means he would come
right around the year 2500
Mathematically speaking there are about 2500 years
before Christ second coming. 3500 (years remaining after Christ death) -1000
(years for
the millennium)=2500
Christ won’t come until his work is complete. Let’s talk about things being
“complete”.
The number 7 often is often the number used in the
scriptures to mean “completeness” and perfection.
Think about the
“Seven seals”
or “7 dispensations” talked about
in the book of Revelation
or the Lord created the world and On the “7th” day the Lord rested or
in
other words his work was “complete”.
How much time would the Lord need to have his restored Church on
the earth in order to be complete? My guess is around 700 years.
Why?
The church
was restored in the 1800’s. The Lord likes to use the number 7 to
symbolize completeness. Let’s just indulge in speculation and assume that maybe
the Lord gave his people 700 years for the fullness of the gospel to be spread.
1800 (roughly the time of the restoration) +700
years ( my theory of how much time roughly the Lord allows for the restoration
before his second coming) = 2500 (roughly the time of the second coming).
Also
the Lord coming 700 years after the church was restored could still mean the
Lords coming is soon.
Abraham
3:4 says that 1000 “years” to us is “1 day” to the Lord.
I could see why many saints would think that the second come was
very soon because when the Lord spoke he said “the DAY soon cometh”
and speaking from the point of view of the Lord he is coming
soon because 700 years would still be
less than “a day” away for the Lord.
If Sunday is the Lords day and Christ was resurrected
or he came back on a Sunday, it’s likely that the he will come back again on a
Sunday again.
If Christ was born on April 6th (D&C 21:3) that means he literally came to
earth on that
day.
The church was restored on April 6th and
many of the most important spiritual events have happened on April 6th (General
Conference usually happens around or on April 6th) April 6th is a very
important day to the Lord and I think April 6th is just as good of
a guess as any other day.
The
church has been restored for around 200 years and there are a lot of things
that still need to happen before the second coming that I just don’t
realistically see happening in my lifetime or even my Grand Kids lifetime but I
think with another 500 years they all could realistically happen.
There are a handful of dates when April 6th will be on a Sunday around the year 2500 and in the year 2532 April 6th will happen on a Sunday being closest to “7” hundred years.
If I were to take a wild guess on when the second coming would
happen it would be
really early in the morning of Sunday April 6th of the year 2532.
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